The Revivalist (1)

Old models suitable for recycling.
Page 1 - this page - Fleischmann catalogue models and measurements
Page 2 - example modifications or rebuilds using Fleischmann underframes
Page
3 - privately themed boxed sets featuring Fleischmann originals
Page 4 features French builders PMP and Rateau.

Fleischmann Coaches and Wagons with die-cast underframes – manufactured in Germany in the period 1952-70.

 

Die-cast underframe train models with 2 axles were made by Fleischmann from about 1952, in the 14** series. Some pundits believe these were built to a scale of 1:82, which differs slightly from the accepted ratio of 1:87 for H0 scale. Over a decade or so the company developed a full line of freight wagons and passenger cars, many based on a series of standard underframes. All bodies (except tank cars) were in molded plastic. The early plastics were a Cellit product and liable to warping, however many have survived in correct shape. I have not referred to the bogie passenger cars, which is a separate subject.

The 14** series 2-axle cars are gems of longevity. I have not seen a car with any metal-fatigue, or so-called zinc-pest problems, where the alloy breaks down and expands, or becomes bloated. I really like them for a couple of reasons.

1.

A robust standardised set of die-cast under-frame with axle boxes, screw-in buffers, stamped metal end platforms, coupler retainer, steps and running boards. Wheels are free-running pinpoint axles in a removeable stamped metal retainer.

2.

Easily change wheels with a screwdriver. A hobbyist can easily change the couplers.

The newer 5*** series do not have cast under-frames. I believe the die-cast models are much more fun, and collectible.
Here are some Fleischmann under-frames fitted to unique freelance rolling stock bodies made from various parts. AC Fleischmann wheels can be used to suit Märklin track. Couplings and wheels are relatively easy to change, and Fleischmann still offer wheels and coupler parts (as of 2014). Another source for replacment wheels is Das Service in Germany.


The 14** series can be obtained from ebay.de, ebay.co.uk, or ebay.com using "fleischmann 14" for the search. You may get a model without a box from around GB6 or €8 each, but condition makes a difference. Boxed examples will sell for twice the unboxed price.

Passenger cars in the 14xx series - most were produced with minor variations:
(Note: in car description, 86 = build date 1886,
05 = build date 1905):

 

No. 1400 (1958-69) - Bi Pr 86 2nd class end-platform short coach, short wheel base, clerestory roof.

No. 1401 (1956-68) - ABi 98 a 1st/2nd class end-platform coach, long wheel base, flat arch roof.
No. 1402 - BBitr Pr 05 2nd class end-platform coach, clerestory roof, destination Koln (Yellow lettering). Later in 3rd class, destination Ulm (Ivory lettering).
No. 1403 (1956-69) - PwPosti 92 baggage wagon with mail section, clerestory roof, one end-platform.
No. 1404 (1952-65) – Thunderbox end-platform coach from 1929.
No. 1405 - Pwi 28 - Gepackwagen from 1928 - Not in the 1966 catalogue.
No. 1406 - a compartment door coach, clerestory roof, and came in both 1/2 class and 2/3 class lettering. Not in the 1966 catalogue.

An example of a 14xx series car with die-cast underframe and cellite plastic body, (showing the window box packaging after 1955). - # 1403 :



Types of Fleischmann die-cast under-frames for freight and passenger models in 14** 2-axle series.

Standard Type #

Length of casting in mm

Description of casting

1
86/87
With holes for accepting lights brackets
1a 87 Extended sides for bottom of door slides. With holes for accepting lights brackets
2
93
With holes for accepting lights brackets
3
96
Solid for bolster wagon 1453
4
103
With holes for accepting lights brackets
5
110
With holes for accepting lights brackets
5a 110 Extended sides for bottom of door slides. With holes for accepting lights brackets
6
120
Solid
7
135
With 2 under-floor toilet discharge pipes. With holes for accepting lights brackets
8
38
Solid end section only, with axle boxes to slot into another frame. The frameless tank car uses 2 of these sections only.

 

Die-cast frame type used on each 14xx Fleischmann 2-axle model, by catalogue number.

As an example, models 1401 and 1402 use the same frame (type 5). Where I lack the relevant information, table cells are in-complete. You can email me if you have information to add to this table.

 

Catalogue Number of car/wagon

Standard Underframe Type (see table above)

1966 Catalogue length as quoted across buffers in mm

Model Description

1400
1
103
Short clerestory coach Bi Pr 86 1958-69
1401
5
128
Arch roof coach ABi Pr 98 1956-68
1402
5
128
Clerestory coach BBitr Pr 05 1956-69
1403
4
120
Postal baggage, clerestory PwPosti 92 1956-69
1404
7
145
Thunderbox coach 1929 type 1952-65
1405
5a
125
Passenger escort and baggage car with sliding doors (as in 1960 catalogue) 1952-65
1406
7
145
7 Compartment door coach (as in 1960 catalogue) 1952-63
1407
3 axles rebuilt coach (may not be die-cast)
1408
3 axles rebuilt coach (may not be die-cast)
1451
1
102
Low sided X05 wagon
1452
Uses 1 of 5, + 2 of 8
135
R 20 Flat stake wagon, body cast in metal separately
1453
Special + 2 of 8
110
Special casting 96mm length, requires 2 of the type 8 casting to complete - H 10 Bolster flat wagon - no body.
1454
1
102
Open goods wagon O20 timber body
1455
4
120
Open goods wagon steel body
1460, 1461, 1462, 1463 5a 125 Round roof goods wagon with sliding doors (in various colour schemes). 1952-62
1464
3
110
40 and 8 type (because it could transport up to 40 men, or 8 horses), G10 covered wagon, gedeckter guterwagen
1465 4 120 Until 1954, tank cars of rolled tin-plate were frameless, using 2 end-frames #8 only. From 1954 to 1960, the tank used the frame #4 with a Br house at one end.
1466
1a
102
Goods escort and baggage car(in 1960 catalogue)
1467
137

Refrigerator Tmehs 50, Br ladder platform
1471
260
Car transporter
1472
260
Same as 1471
1473
135
versions E or F, mit Haus zu Haus or bulk container loads, Br platform
1474
4
120
Br platform, but same body as 1464
1479     Italian refrigerator car
1482
Uses 1 of 6, + 2 of 8
145
Br house, R 20 stake wagon, body cast in metal separately.
1483
120
Br house, as 1453 - Bolster flat wagon - no body
1484
4
120
Elevated br house, same body as 1464
1485
3
110
Br house, but same body as 1454
1490     Round roof goods wagon with sliding doors and frame level BrH. 1954-60
1491
Special
135
Ballast hopper E433, bogies, casting 123mm.
1492
Compressed-air cement closed hopper
1493
Loaded set - pair consisting of 1483 and 1453.
1494
Heavy-duty depressed center car for industrial load
1495
90 ton crane
1496     Counterweight car for 1495
1498
Bogie flat car SSlmas with pipe load

Another source of information on 14xx series cars (in German) by Peter Effert

Some example project models using the underframes.

Some privately boxed sets of Fleischmann cars and wagons.

Below is my original 1958 layout, with Fleischmann fibre-based track and a few pieces of rolling stock.
This introduced me to the sciences of how the model trains were built, and explains my later and ongoing interest.

Four Fleischmann pieces are evident. 0-6-0 tank engine of class 80 - catalogue 1320.
Baggage/post car 1403.
Tinplate coach A1200.
Bogie hopper 1491.

A couple of Triang items make up the balance. Buildings were scratchbuilt of cardboard, though the station and signal box were Airfix kits (now Dapol - as of 2014).

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