The Revivalist (1)

Old models suitable for recycling.
Page 1 - this page - Fleischmann catalogue models and measurements
Page 2 - example modifications or rebuilds using Fleischmann underframes
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3 - privately themed boxed sets featuring Fleischmann originals
Page 4 features French builders PMP and Rateau.

Fleischmann Coaches and Wagons with die-cast underframes – manufactured in Germany in the period 1952-70.

 

I have been buying old die-cast underframe train models which were made by Fleischmann from about 1952, in the 14** series. Some pundits believe these were built to a scale of 1:82, which differs slightly from the accepted ratio of 1:87 for H0 scale. For my own reasons, this does not bother me unduly. Over a decade or so, the company developed a full line of freight wagons and passenger cars, based on a series of standard underframes. Bodies were in molded plastics.

The 14** series passenger cars, were all genuine ex KPEV or other 4 wheelers, and freight cars were from the early 1900s onward. I really like them for a couple of reasons.
1. The running gear is robust, and made up of a standardised set of parts such as die-cast underframe with axle boxes, screw-in buffers, stamped metal wheel holders, stamped metal end platforms, steps and running boards, and free-running pinpoint axles system.
2. The construction method on these old wagons allows for easy change of the wheels for AC running, and for a hobbyist to change the couplers.

I can match some old Fleischmann wagon frames to unique freelance rolling stock bodies made from various parts.
I have been getting the 14** series from both ebay.de and ebay.co.uk, and you will often get various sets without boxes at an average GB6 or €8 each. Boxed examples will sell for twice this.
I found the UK site quite fruitful. Use fleischmann 14 in the search on ebay. Don't bother with the newer 5*** series, I believe the die-cast models are much more fun, and collectible.
These models are easily fitted with AC Fleischmann wheels to suit Märklin track. Couplings are relatively easy to change, as Fleischmann still offer these coupler parts (as of 2014).

The 14** series cars are real gems of longevity. I have not yet come across a car with any metal-fatigue, or so-called zinc-pest problems, where the alloy breaks down and expands, or becomes bloated.

An example of a 14xx series car - (the wrong box, this is a 1403 car):


Passenger cars:
Here are some of the passenger series, (example, 86 means built in 1886):
No. 1400 - Bi Pr 86 2nd class passenger coach, short wheel base, clerestory roof.
No. 1401 - ABi 98 a 1st/2nd class passenger coach, long wheel base, flat arch roof.
No. 1402 - BBitr Pr 05 2nd class passenger coach, clerestory roof, destination Koln with yellow lettering. Offered later in a 3rd class, destination Ulm, with Ivory lettering
No. 1403 - PwPosti 92 baggage wagon with mail section, clerestory roof
No. 1404 – Thunderbox coach from 1929, for which there are later, more detailed models available.
No. 1405 - Pwi 28 - Gepackwagen from 1928 - there has never been a replacement model for this rather shortie example. Not shown in the 1966 catalogue.
No. 1406 - a compartment door coach, clerestory roof, and came in both 1/2 class and 2/3 class lettering. It is not shown in the 1966 catalogue. It is quite hard to find at a reasonable price. It will often list for €30 - €50, but if patient, they are available for a lot less.

Standard Fleischmann die-cast frames used for both freight and passenger in 14** catalogue models, have been identified as follows:

Standard Type

Length in mm

Description

1
86/87
With holes for accepting lights
2
93
With holes for accepting lights
3
96
Solid for bolster wagon 1453
4
103
With holes for accepting lights
5
110
With holes for accepting lights
6
120
Solid
7
134
Solid
8
38
Solid end section only, for wheels, couplers and buffers, to slot into another frame. I have seen one frameless tank car that uses 2 of these sections only, the model number is not known.

 

Here is a table of the die-cast frame types, by Fleischmann catalogue number. As an example, you can see that models 1401 and 1402 use the same frame (type 5). Where I lack the relevant information, I have left cells in the table incomplete. You can email me if you have information to add to this table.

Catalogue Number of car/wagon

Standard Underframe Type (see table above)

1966 Catalogue length as quoted across buffers in mm

Description

1400
1
103
Short clerestory coach Bi Pr 86
1401
5
128
Arch roof coach ABi Pr 98
1402
5
128
Clerestory coach BBitr Pr 05
1403
4
120
Postal baggage, clerestory PwPosti 92
1404
Thunderbox coach
1405
5
125
Short passenger baggage (as in 1960 catalogue)
1406
7
138
7 Compartment door coach (as in 1960 catalogue)
1407
3 axles rebuilt coach (may not be die-cast)
1408
3 axles rebuilt coach (may not be die-cast)
1409
 
1451
1
102
Low sided X05 wagon
1452
Uses 1 of 5, + 2 of 8
135
R 20 Flat stake wagon, body cast in metal separately
1453
Special + 2 of 8
110
Special casting 96mm, requires 2 of the type 8 casting to complete - H 10 Bolster flat wagon - no body.
1454
1
102
Open goods wagon O20 timber body
1455
4
120
Open goods wagon steel body
1464
3
110
40 and 8 (because it could transport up to 40 men, or 8 horses), G10 covered wagon, gudeckter guterwagen
1466
102
Goods baggage (in 1960 catalogue)
1467
137

Refrigerator Tmehs 50, Br ladder platform
1470
 
1471
260
Car transporter
1472
260
Same as 1471
1473
135
versions E or F, mit Haus zu Haus or bulk container loads, Br platform
1474
4
120
Br platform, but same body as 1464
1475
 
1482
Uses 1 of 6, + 2 of 8
145
Br house, R 20 stake wagon, body cast in metal separately.
1483
120
Br house, as 1453 - Bolster flat wagon - no body
1484
4
120
Elevated br house, same body as 1464
1485
3
110
Br house, but same body as 1454
1486
 
1489
 
1491
Special
135
Ballast hopper E433, bogies, casting 123mm.
1492
 
1493
 
1494
 
1497
 
1498
 
1499
 

Some example project models using the underframes.

Some privately boxed sets of Fleischmann cars and wagons.

Below is my original 1958 layout, with Fleischmann fibre-based track and a few pieces of rolling stock.
This introduced me to the sciences of how the model trains were built, and explains my later and ongoing interest.

Four Fleischmann pieces are evident. 0-6-0 tank engine of class 80 - catalogue 1320.
Baggage/post car 1403.
Tinplate coach A1200.
Bogie hopper 1491.

A couple of Triang items make up the balance. Buildings were scratchbuilt of cardboard, though the station and signal box were Airfix kits (now Dapol - as of 2014).

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